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David Noyce
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 07:49 pm:   

On several occasions I have bought what I thought was Humbrol Gloss only to find that it is a matt finish when I use it. This is confusing, as the tin lid sample colour is gloss and some matt paints are marked accordingly as Matt or Satin. Is there something I don't know about here as, as I say, this has happened more than once. Does anyone know if Humbrol do a colour chart?
Regards David.
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dick lindsay
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 08:05 pm:   

There's been an even more sinister move lately. Many of the Humbrol tinlets now come with a creamy coloured lid irrespective of what colour is in the tin. I've had to get myself a Humbrol list so that I can be certain what I'm about to open!
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Dave Jessop
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 09:05 pm:   

I recently bought a tin of gloss varnish (Humbrol) and when I opened it it was empty!!
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Stephen Anforth
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 09:33 pm:   

Dear Dave

If you've got the reciept ask for your money back
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Bill Mather
Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:50 am:   

There's a Humbrol colour chart on the inside front cover of Squires catalogue.(Telephone 01243 842424) The catalogue has 646 pages and is free, minimum order is 7.50,and orders are usually despatched same day.
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David Noyce
Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:49 pm:   

Thanks for that Bill. And, would you believe, I've got their catalogue, (red face!). Reading through, it begins to make sense. Amazing how many of the colours are matt finish, which can, of course, be "glossed" with clear varnish. Just wish they wouldn't put gloss finish on the lids.
Regards David
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Rob Richardson
Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:27 pm:   

Recently, I contacted Humbrol regarding a couple of colour matches and their Technical Department have been most helpful in supplying me with the info necessary on their paints to mix to achieve the desired colours.

If you have any problems with their products it may be worth contacting them directly - so they are aware of it rather than making a complaint to the retailer who may not pass the complaint on.

Regarding the Humbrol Colour range, this can be seen on their website - www.airfix.com - click on 'Paints' and a colour chart will appear.

They will also supply a colour chart by post by e-mailing them at [email protected]

Apart from the details of over 150 paints in their range, their colour chart also lists other Humbrol products such as adhesives, thinners etc and, usefully, their colour equivalents of other paint ranges such as - Revell, RAL, Gunze Sango, BS, Life Color, Games Workshop, Tamiya, Testor and FS. So it's definately a useful thing for any modeller to have.

Full contact details for Humbrol and much more can also be found on their website (see above for details)

Regards - Rob



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David Noyce
Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:01 pm:   

Many thanks Rob, that's very useful info.
Regards - david
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Martin Bensley
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:14 am:   

I've had a different problem, namely Humbrol matt paint which turns out to be gloss when you apply it. In some cases it also takes ages - and I mean days!! to dry properly. Which Humbrol matt black do members recommend. Or is there a better matt black from another maker. Any help appreciated.
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Bob Collier
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:09 pm:   

Martin, I use Humbrol #33 matt black, and I've never had that trouble with it taking so long to dry.
I have used Revell #9 but that seems to take a long time to dry, and dries like a satin paint.

Bob
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mike w
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:48 pm:   

Martin,

Ive had the same problem as you with the matt black taking a long time to dry but i put that down the fact that the tin was nearly empty and old.
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areasec
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:51 pm:   

I have recently had the same problems as Martin, but with a new tin of paint.

When the first coat didn't dry for a day or so, and was shiny, I put it down to, not mixing the paint thoroughly, but the same thing happened after it was thoroughly stirred, so it could have been a duff batch.

I have never been able to get on with the Revell matt black, but I suppose you could always use an acrylic black, which dries in double quick time, and the brushes can be washed out under the tap, if you are quick!!

John
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Rob Richardson
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:52 pm:   

I found particularly that Matt Paints need a thorough mixing until all the 'gunk'at the bottom of the tin is dispersed into the rest of the liquid paint.

Even then I have find sometimes that the finished result is still not matt enough, but I have found that adding a touch of Talcum Powder does the trick - just keep adding a small amount and try a test patch until you get the desired result.
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Bill Mather
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 03:51 pm:   

An old tip, but when closing a tin of paint, make sure the top is secure, then store it upside down. That way, if a skin forms, it will be at the bottom when it is reopened.
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Bill Mather
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 04:19 pm:   

Another from the depths of my memory. The plastic stirrers usually found at railway snackbars and Macdonalds,the type like a spatula with diagonal slots,make good paint stirrers if stuck together on their flat sides to give them strength.
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areasec
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 06:17 pm:   

That's a good idea Bill. I use cocktail sticks myself, cheap and cheerful.

Perhaps somebody should also have a go at Humbrol regarding their sprays. I have tried several this year, and no matter how much they are shaken, warmed, etc., the paint still comes out like pebbledash, and is practically useless!

John
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David Noyce
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 09:00 pm:   

John, I think that is down to the spray-nozzle rather than the paint. Try taking the nozzle off and see if you can find a similar one from another can. It sometimes does the trick. There is no doubt that when it comes to spray cans, Halfords are by far the best. Also of course, the pressure in the can will make a big difference to the quality of the spray. Not much one can do about that of course. It's Halfords every time for me now or, if I can't find a match, then I get out the brush.
David
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areasec
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 07:44 am:   

Great minds think alike David, as I always try and use Halfords sprays, which are the best.

Once the cans are finished, I clean and keep the nozzles for further use on other makes of spray, although sometimes, and Humbrol seems to be one of them, they just don't fit, so back to square one!

John
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Arfon Owen
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 01:11 pm:   

Any suggestions what to use as a decent brush cleaner after using them with Humbrol or similar paint? I'm currently using White Spirit, and have also used turps. I have two pots, one to clean the brush initially, the other with cleaner White Spirit to give it a final rinse, but it doesn't get the brushes really clean.
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dick lindsay
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 05:35 pm:   

I use Polyclens or the various DIY Warehouses versions of it to clean both brushes and my airbrush. After cleaning out the airbrush with polyclens I give it a final squirt of special airbrush cleaner. The airbrush cleaner is also very good for cleaning the aerosol nozzles.
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areasec
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 06:11 pm:   

A very good brush cleaner is Superstrip, (the stuff you use to strip resin models)

Leave the brushes immersed in a little of this fluid overnight, and all the built up paint just disappears, and they come back like new, (assuming they were in good nick in the first place!!)

John
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Arfon Owen
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 06:21 pm:   

I'll give Polyclens a go. I'm still using Domestos to strip resin models. Last one in was a clear resin PSG Cheetah, must have been ok as I sold it on Saturday!
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Paul Dudfield
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 07:58 pm:   

I swill my brushes out in white spirit then work neat Fairy Liquid into the bristles. It is amazing how much paint can come out at that stage. Finally I rinse them in water. It is important to staighten the bristles out and put them aside carefully to dry. It they dry bent, they'll stay bent.

Paul
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Dave Jessop
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 11:07 pm:   

Every now and then, as the centre of the brushes stiffen up (no matter how well you seem to clean them!), I give mine a dip in Nitromors - the same paint stripper that I use for diecasts. Leave them for 15 minutes and rinse them out and it really rejuvenates them. I guess this is a similar thing to the "areasec" using Superstrip (three postings above!).
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[email protected]d
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 11:34 pm:   

An old signwriter's trick is to work vaseline or similar petroleum jelly into the bristles and ferrule, this stops any bits of paint left in the bristles from drying out, and hence becoming hard, and it also helps the brush keep its shape. Prior to re-use simply wipe off the excess veseline, and clean the brush in white spirit or turps, etc. I know this works, as I have been using this method for many years, and have some old small sable signwriting brushes which I purchased in 1988/9, and these are as good as new. Hope this helps.
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Gordon Mackley
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 08:41 pm:   

If you use a lot of matt black, proprietary tins of matt black from hardware stores can be quite good value and just as effective as Humbrol. As others have said, it is essential that matt colours are well stirred and the solids at the bottom well emulsified into the liquid whoever the manufacturer is. If you do not do this the paint will not only be thin and not cover well but it will not give a true matt finish but appear as a dull gloss. It will also take an eternity to dry and come off easily (been there, done it, got the t-shirt etc.)
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dick lindsay
Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 06:11 pm:   

In the latest Journal Dave Cole highlights the problems experienced when using Humbrol varnish aerosols. The tinlets still appear to be to the old formula and I airbrush matt, satin and gloss Humbrol varnishes onto normal modelling enamels without any problems or reaction.

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Arnold Chave
Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 10:01 pm:   

Dear Dick,

Just to add to the postscript that Dave included about Precision spray varnishes, I have now received the can of Satin varnish I ordered from them and will be using it in the next few days, so I'll post information about how it went asap

Arnold
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Bill Mather
Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 01:48 pm:   

I've just received some Humbrol paint from Squires and the small tinlets are now just labelled "Humbrol Enamel" (not Super Enamel) and the 50ml tins are shown as Enamel Paint- Premium Quality Interior and Exterior- Humbrol DIY. Have they changed the formula again? The consistency seems unchanged. I've also bought a tin of their Just Crystal Clear Acrylic Spray Coating. There's no warning about using it over enamels etc. I'll try it when house redecorating is finished.
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Donald
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:57 pm:   

Has anyone tried Clear Gloss Lacquer from the Wilkinson's Multi Surface Enamel range of sprays. The only warning is regarding preparation of pre 1960 paint due to it's lead content. It claims to be non yellowing and 15 minutes between coats.
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Adam Smith
Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - 03:15 pm:   

Reopening an old thread here but just been reading back at everyone's tips and opinions.

When i clean my brushes, I dab a small ammount of Humbrol enamel thinners to a sheet of kitchen roll and wipe the bristles down. I then give them a good swirl in a pot of white spirits - vitamin tablet jars are a good size: making sure you've taken your vits of course :-) Then tab a bit more thinners on the kitchen roll and brush the brush against it to see if there's owt left in the bristles. Quick wash with warm water and bobs your uncle... works for me and not experienced anything bad happen.

Bill, you mention the rebranding of Humbrol pots. I bought a large tin of golden yellow humbrol paint (forget the number) from Fred Aldous Ltd. Currently painting several buses in the same livery, i've done 2 batches. The first batch i used paint from a few small tinlets i had and the paint finish on it is brilliant. The second batch i started after i got a new pot of paint, ran out of tinlets so went for the big pot. To me, the paint in the tinlets feels thicker than the paint in the bigger pots - anyone else experienced such a feeling? The yellow on the second batch of models is visibly thinner as it's run a tad and looks darker in places.

Was tempted to try the acrylic spray but reading people's opinions, I wont bother for now.
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Bill Mather
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 12:09 pm:   

Has anyone else noticed a deterioration in the quality of Humbrol paint since the manufacture was outsourced to China? I recently bought a tin of matt white (the lid was beige coloured!) and even after stirring it thoroughly with a home made paddle fitted to a Dremel drill the paint still dried like thin whitewash. I've also noticed lack of density in various gloss colours, particularly red, and various shades of blue and green.
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Terry K
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 02:06 pm:   

Coincidentally, Bill, I bought a tin of gloss white this morning at one of my usual stockists. I was somewhat taken aback to see there was a new display stand and I had to check against the accompanying colour chart that gloss 22 was correct in view of the beige coloured lid for that. I haven't tried it yet, but when I do, I'll let you know if there seems to be any difference in quality.
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dick lindsay
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 04:05 pm:   

Several of the Humbrol tins now have a standard colour lid and I find myself having to mark the lids to remind myself of the colour that is supposed to be in the tin. I'm not sure if its the quality or just different specifications but I now find that even when airbrushed several coats are now needed to get adequate depth and coverage. I hate to think what some of them must be like to handpaint. I'm also finding that once opened the contents of a tin will deteriorate quite rapidly and I am now having to strain paint prior to airbrushing
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Bill Mather
Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 11:59 am:   

I don't know if it only applies to the large tins, but the red and dark blue gloss colours don't cover at all well either, even on top of the appropriate primer so I've now decided to try Railmatch colours. Their Royal Mail red, and Darlington Loco green are perfect for what I need. Although it will probably upset the purists , my maxin is "if it looks right, it is right - to me anyway."As some of the models are of prototypes scrapped over forty years ago and my memory is far from being perfect, I'm happy with the results.
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bluebus
Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 02:56 pm:   

I can't say I have noticed a reduction in quality of the paint, though a while back had fun trying to get gloss white. I now make a note of which tin number I require.

Probably more worrying was that on the face of it, no one in Swansea sells the stuff, so I went to Cardiff and found the tin(lets) I required, and another brush. So, for time being am ok for paint, but haven't noticed any loss of quality. I probably bought some 'older' tins though as they had the colours on the tops.

Thought I'd add a little into the discussion, as I handpaint my buses. One thing I do before painting is shaking the tin and stirring the contents, which compared to my earlier efforts ensures a good finish.
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barry dodd
Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 08:44 am:   

Just a footnote to the above thread. I stopped using Humbrol paints some time ago due to poor coverage quality etc. I now use Plasti Kote fast dry enamel [also known as Odds 'n' Ends]. I know some people cannot get on with the brush on jars, but is is also available in spray cans. It is available from most B&Q and Homebase stores, and works out cheaper than Humbrol at approx 2.50 to 2.99 for a 59ml jar. The only "colour" I have had a problem with is the gloss clear [varnish], so I still use Humbrol or Revell for those. Plasti Kote have a very good website: www.spraypaint.co.uk Thought this information might be of interest in light of the above problems with other paints.
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Adam Smith
Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:03 am:   

Hi Barry,

I too have started using Plasti Kote spray paint and have found it leaves a very good finish, if your surface is properly prepared.

It dries very quickly too.

It'd prefer to use this than mess about using Humbrol, thinners and my airbrush kit, then theres the cleaning of the airbrush these eliminate.

I've just checked out their website and a colour chart is available, I didn't realise they did so many colours. Wilko's and Hobbycraft just stock minimal and your basic colours which have suited me fine, now i'll be scouring the land for other colours.
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barry dodd
Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 09:48 pm:   

I've been in to B & Q only today, and that had quite a good selection in for a change. I have found that some independant retailers [you know like the old fashioned ironmongers] also sell it. The best selection I ever saw was in one such establishment in Cumbria, so I now stock up while I'm up there on holiday/visiting friends!!!
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Stephen Anforth
Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 09:45 pm:   

I may be the only person to defend this brand humbrol but it is one of the cheapest brands on the market and also the market leader for the modelling sector, this product is now supplied by my business A's.

I ve done some checking up on plasti kote and it sounds a bit steep to buy!!!.
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Donald
Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 12:10 am:   

I have to say that I use Humbrol most of the time but also use Wilco and Plasti-Kote. I also find that the three types can be used on the same model without any difficulty.
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barry dodd
Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 08:38 am:   

Humbrol tinlets cost between 1.00 and 1.20 and are approx 15ml. Plasti-Kote comes in 59 ml jars and costs between 2.49 and 2.99 By my reckoning that makes Plasti-Kote cheaper as you get approximately four times the quantity, but for no more than three times the cost! As a matter of interest I still have a large stock of Humbrol colours as well as about 30 Plasti-Kote colours, plus some Airfix, Revell, and several other makes. Then again my fleet does have quite a few different liveries !!!!!!
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Rod Blackburn
Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 10:48 pm:   

I seem to remember it cost 6d a tin once upon a time. But then Airfix aeroplanes were 2/- a bag and you could buy a paperback book for 2/6. And I daresay there are people even older than me who can remember when things were even cheaper.
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agoodwin
Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 11:49 pm:   

I think my first Humbrol tinlets cost me 9d Rod, Airfix paint, in an oddly-shaped glass bottle, cost a little less - perhaps 7d?

But then, my first bus kits cost around 1.95 to 2.10. I remember the shemozzle there was over Anbrico "profiteering" by putting their up to 2.60! Of course in those days Buses Illustrated (Buses Magazine) was only 3/- (that's 15p for younger readers!) Now it costs 3.60.

Kits, by comparison, seem to have got cheaper don't they?
ANG
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Alan Johnson
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 12:00 am:   

I used to paint my models using a plastic enamel called JAPLAC. It seemed good value at the time. My fleetnumbers were provided by Wrenn Froglite - anybody remember them? I seem to remember the first Anbrico kit sold for 34/- and we thought that we were parting with a king's ransom.
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Bill Mather
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 10:52 am:   

A bit off topic concerning paint, but my first kit was an Anbrico PD2, bought 39 !!! years ago. I remember it was about 3, but then my weekly wage in those days was only 10.3.0d (10.15p in funny money), so as Andrew says, kits are much cheaper by comparison these days. Incidentally, I have just touched up the paintwork on this bus and it looks as good as it was all those years ago. It was also one of the easiest whitemetal keeps I've built up, the parts went together perfectly.
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Bill Mather
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 06:33 pm:   

Sorry gents, another senior moment! For "keeps" please read "kits".
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Alan Johnson
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 12:28 am:   

Bill, thank goodness for that. We had enough of Castles forty years ago!
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Rod Blackburn
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 05:41 am:   

A bit more Humbrol nostalgia. Those 6d tins I mentioned above were puchased in the mid-50s when I was into aeroplanes (I did spot LT buses though, so I wasn't a complete heretic). You couldn't get matt paint from Humbrol, but you could get matting agent in a tube. A decidedly unreliable method for producing a good result, but it could have been used for painting bus tyres if I had been modelling them then.
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dick lindsay
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 11:56 am:   

I must have been using Humbrol paints for almost 50 years although I haven't a clue how much I was paying for them back in the late 50's. Over the years there have been many new products and I've tried them all but have always tended to go back to Humbrol mainly perhaps because it was so available. Rod mentions matt paints and these were available by the mid sixties. For one of my liveries I recall using the matt red and varnishing it to get a nice deep red. Reading through this thread I suspect that we all have our own preferences and hates and a paint that one person is quite happy with is despised by another.
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Donald
Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 11:14 pm:   

When I was a schoolboy and played subutteo table football, myself and friends used to repaint the teams and Humbrol matt just wasn't available. We used to mix talcum powder into the tinlets which turned the paint matt quite adequately.
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Donald
Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 11:32 pm:   

I've just been to check on a model I varnished earlier this evening. The white enamel paint which is old Humbrol stock is fine but the blue which is in one of the new tins has bubbled badly and is is lifting off the model. It's going to have to be a strip down to the metal job and restart from scratch. I may also have to find an alternative varnish to prevent this happening again. Meantime I have another model done in the same livery, I will try to mask off the blue and hope for the best!
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Bill Mather
Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 10:59 am:   

For the past few months I've used Humbrol's Just Crystal Cleer Acrylic Varnish (gloss) with excellent results. (Hope the quality doesn't change if production moves to China!)
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Donald
Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 11:39 pm:   

I'm surprised there's been no comment either here or on other forums regarding Humbrol going into administration. As far as the Airfix side of the business is concerned Hornby have expressed an interest in purchasing that, with the likely outsourcing of production to China. However at the moment and rather worryingly from the perspective of those of us who use Humbrol paints there appears to be no one on the horizon to take on that aspect of the company.
Revell would seem to be the obvious candidate but one has to wonder how sound they are. Since they are in the same market as Airfix it has be assumed that their sales are also suffering in these days of PS2s, X Boxes and other such electronic toys that amuse youngsters nowadays.
cheers
Donald
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[email protected] M.T.C.
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 12:21 am:   

Accordng to Stephen's posting on Thursday last 31 August 2006, Humbrol will stay in business.
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Dave Allen
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 08:07 am:   

Revell and other manufacturers are suffering to some degree but Airfix had problems for a long time. Some may recall that they went into Administration in the eighties. Ever since then it seems to me that they did not have the cashflow to introduce enough new models (we always want something new) or to upgrade existing models.

There has been a constant recycling of 40-50 year old models (low cost of production) which don't stand up to today's standards. the few new kits introduced in recent years have been well received by modellers, eg their recent TSR-2, which incidentally was produced as a result of demand from modellers. The demand was at least partly generated by a spoof box top put on their stand at Scale Model World a couple of years ago!

Who says manufacturers don't listen to their customers?

Sorry, I realise this message is probably in the wrong thread.
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Bill Mather
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 02:57 pm:   

A reminder, considering previous postings - always check the colour code when buying Humbrol paints over the counter. I recently bought by mail-order a number of matt colours. The matt white No34 came in a tinlet with a cream lid (why don't they market this colour), their matt brick red No 70 has a glossy greyish pink coloured lid and matt light grey has the correct coloured lid, but the paint is a very pale creamy grey. Incidentally, the matt white although thoroughly stirred using a stirrer in an electric drill has very poor covering power and seems very oily.
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dick lindsay
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 10:01 am:   

Further to Donalds earlier posting it has been reported on at least one of the model railway sites that the receivers have not found a buyer for Humbrol and as warehouse stock is exhuasted it wont be replaced. Despite moaning about the quality of recent Humbrol paints I tend to rely heavily on their general colours and will be rather lost without them. Obviously there are other paint companies supplying the modelling world but finding suitable colour matches isn't I suspect going to be easy. As an example I would need a colour to replace the 40 light grey and whilst several greys are listed specifically for railway purposes it doesn't seems as though the main suppliers produce colour charts. I did try contacting Railmatch and Precision Paints to see if they did colour charts, Railmatch confirmed that they dont and Precision haven't replied. Any thoughts??
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mike w
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 08:12 pm:   

The local model shop owner told me that when the current supplies of humbrol fun out they will be getting revell.

Revell has already started appearing on the shelves now. So anyone who wants to get humbrol had better do so now.
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John Morris
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 09:26 pm:   

Is it too much to hope that somewhere out there someone there has a Humbrol/Revell comparison list?
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Stephen Anforth
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 09:54 pm:   

Dear All,

my website www.mirror-image-models.org.uk
has a list of humbrol colour numbers and humbrol colours if any one needs any help!!!!!!!
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dick lindsay
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 10:03 pm:   

Following up my earlier posting the paint section of the www.themodelcatalogue.com provides cross references where available between Humbrol and Revell paints.
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agoodwin
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 11:51 pm:   

I've always found Revell rubbish - like jelly!
ANG
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Bill Mather
Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 11:32 am:   

I agree with Andrew. I bought three tinlets recently and even after stirring thoroughly with a gadget in my power drill the each colour was stringy and had a horrible smell. I guess I'd better stock up on Humbrol whilst I can.
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Dan Heeley
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 10:35 pm:   

I have to agree, only ever had bad experiences with Revell paints, always thought it was my bad luck though. Must stock up on ivory quickly!
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Paul Dudfield
Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 02:00 pm:   

What about acrylic paint? Dave Cole has used Warhammer paint from Games Workshop (J408 April 05).
Another Journal article on the subject would be useful now.

Paul
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areasec
Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 05:29 pm:   

Following on from the previous comments about Humbrol paints, its also the other items they make that could soon disappear, like brushes etc., Although there are other sources for brushes, I believe Revell also do them, Humbrol were at least cheap and cheerful.

Must agree with the comments about Revell paint, certainly not as good as Humbrol, but it could be a case in the future of needs must!!

John
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Bil Mather
Posted on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 04:09 pm:   

I ordered some paint from Squires last Friday, but already there are some colours which are unobtainable. However, yesterday I was in Dumfries and called into an arts and crafts shop, which I found to have a complete range of Humbrol paints and which does mail order. They are Art-Tastic, 69 Friars Vennel, Dumfries, DG1 8RQ. Anyone requiring to use their mail-order service should phone their order to 01387 248224 giving their credit card details.
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[email protected] M.T.C.
Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 12:35 am:   

Regarding Pauls correspondence above, what about acrylic paint? Has any correspondent had experience of "Createx Uk" automotive and handicraft acrylic paints.
Their web address is www.createxuk.co.uk, it would be interesting to have other members feed back if they have experienced the above products as there is an extensive list of colours available with comprehensive instructions in mixing and use.
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dick lindsay
Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 03:16 pm:   

There was always a perception that Acyrlic paints would create problems for air brush users although I imagine that military and railway modellers manage. I've always been concerned that the Acrylics might well clogg up the airbrush far easier than conventional enamel or cellulose paints and with the availabilty of Humbrol paints that satisfied most of my needs there wasn't really a need to exeperiment even when the likes of Humbrol themselves introduced Acrylics. Looking at the Createx website they produce an extensive range of colours and provide an excellent technical and advise section on their site. My first impressions are that use of the paints would require far more care than Humbrol enamels and apart from the cost of the actual paint most of us would incur postal charges that the availability of Humbrol paints negated. As John hints above 'needs must' so I like Tony would appreciate any feedback from those familiar with this range.
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Arfon Owen
Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 11:40 pm:   

I spoke to Roger Bigg at the Leyland Transport Museum today, he has heard that the Humbrol range has been purchased by another concern and will carry on as normal. However no-one else had heard so it may just be a rumour.
Roger also showed me some model cars he has painted with Acrylic paints,then coated with Johnsons clear to bring out the shine. They looked very good with a nice finish.
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Paul Dudfield
Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 05:29 pm:   

Humbrol is such a big brand name across all aspects of model making you would have thought it would have been worth saving. Let's hope Roger is right.

In the meantime, Tamiya also produce paint (both enamel and acrylic). Has anyone had any experience of using either?

Paul
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Paul Dudfield
Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 12:36 pm:   

I see on the BBC News website that Hornby have bought Airfix and the Humbrol paints business.

Looks like good news.

Paul
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John May
Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 01:29 pm:   

Hopefully it is good news, although I note that Hornby will outsource the manufacturing and assembly arm of Humbrol/Airfix. Let's just hope that it keeps up the quality!
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areasec
Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 01:47 pm:   

The shortages of Humbrol paints and accessories are becoming more pronounced, so hopefully normal service will soon be resumed.

However I am advised that enamel paints will be banned from 2008, no doubt due to EC regulations, so what then!

John
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Bil Mather
Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 02:31 pm:   

Further to my posting of 27th October - Art-Tistic of Dumfries still have practically the full range of Humbrol. In fact some of the rows have been replenished as there is still some stock in the storeroom.
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Mike W
Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 06:48 pm:   

This report has been taken from the Solihull Evening Mail..

Tonights issue. Friday 10th November 2006


"Happy Landings for model planes.

Iconic plastic plane firm airfix was rescued today after hornby struck a deal with administrators.
Model Train maker Hornby paid 2.6 million for Airfix, Humbrol Paints,and Young Scientist.
It followed the collapse of Airfix owner Humbrol which went into administration in August. "

So we will have to wait and see
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dick lindsay
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 10:35 am:   

When Hornby were first muted as being a potential buyer of Airfix there were suggestions that they would only be interested in certain aspects of the business and that is was unlikely that the Humbrol paint side would be one of these. There is however a very interesting press release that is well worth reading on the Hornby website that certainly gives cause for optimism
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Barry Dodd
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 04:13 pm:   

I've just been in to our local Homebase store looking for Plasti Kote paint. They did not have the Plasti Kote paint I wanted but I noticed while I was in there that they now stock Humbrol paints [which I have not seen in there before]. They have quite a range and there seemed to be plenty of stock on the display unit at just 1.05 per jar. I thought this information might be of interest to anyone still having trouble obtaining Humbrol paints.
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Barry Dodd
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 04:16 pm:   

Correction to last posting. It should have read 1.05 per TIN.
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Kevin Diggins
Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 10:44 am:   

I've just been on the Precision Paints website. They are announcing a new range of paints called "Humbrella"(!!!)which apparently duplicates the Humbrol range.

For details, see http://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk
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areasec
Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 05:47 pm:   

Having today received the latest Squires catalogue, I see that the full range of Humbrol enamel paints is still listed, although whether or not they are actually available is another matter.

However of interest is that the enamel range is now mirrored (sorry Stephen!) by a new Acrylic range which is available in gloss, matt and satin finishes, with the same numbers as the enamel range.

It will be interesting to see when these appear in the shops, as most shops I have been in recently have hardly any Humbrol paints, and seem pretty low on Revell paints as well.

JOHN
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Ernest
Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 08:18 pm:   

I have had no problems ordering on line from The Model Catalogue, www.themodelcatalogue.com. I can recommend them for good service. Brushes etc also available.
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Paul Dudfield
Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 08:42 pm:   

My local model shop now has a good range of Humbrol enamels except for no.24 matt yellow. A newly opened shop has a new style Humbrol display rack with a good stock of paints but again no no. 24. Guess which one I want.
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Dave Allen
Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 08:51 am:   

The owner of my favourite model shop, in Uckfield, tells me that Hornby are gradually getting Humbrol products back in to production, although not all will be re-instated. For example, Clearfix is unlikely to reappear; this is not set in stone, however.
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Keith Mossman
Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:30 am:   

The Acrylic range sounds interesting, especially if they are to produce the range offered in enamel, and particularly my preference of satin finish.

I signed up to this a couple of days ago, but I'm not sure if this is current news, or even if I am in the right place.

http://www.airfix.com/

No hint of a date for takeoff !
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dick lindsay
Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 04:11 pm:   

I was in Poole today and the model shop there had full stocks of the usual Humbrol enamels and the new range of Acrylics. The latter doesn't appear to quite as comprehensive, I use the number 48 blue for both Glenelg and East Dorset and this as an example doesn't seem to appear in the Acrylics range.
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Bill Mather
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 05:02 pm:   

I was in Art-Tastic, 69 Friars Vennel, Dumfries this morning and they had ten tins of Humbrol No. 24 Yellow in the display stand. They will willingly do mail-order. The phone number is 01387248224.
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Paul Dudfield
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 09:38 pm:   

Bill

Thanks for the info on Humbrol 24. It's good to know it's still available.

Paul
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Tony
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 11:52 pm:   

The new Airfix website is now live:

http://www.airfix.com/

The kit-makers among you might well be interested to see the Humbrol paints and accessories coverage.

Tony
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Tony
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 03:58 pm:   

The new Humbrol website is now live:

http://www.humbrol.com/

Tony
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Bill Mather
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 04:22 pm:   

Just had a quick look at the Humbrol site. It seems as if most of the acrylics and several of the enamel colours are out of stock - not a very promising start!
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areasec
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 10:15 pm:   

I was in Modelzone Holborn just before Xmas, and they had hardly any Humbrol paints in their racks.

Will check my local store next week to see if they have been restocked.

JOHN
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Mike W 3331
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 10:46 pm:   

Local model shop to me in Solihull has got a full rack of nearly all the humbrol paints, Only a couple of colours were not in stock but they had the revell ones instead.
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Bill Mather
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 10:55 am:   

The art shop in Dumfries has a full range of Humbrol enamels but hasn't heard of Humbrol Acrylics! Squires of Bognor Regis have an excellent stock of both ranges.
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Dick Lindsay 142
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 01:50 pm:   

Since the paints became freely available again I've had no trouble obtaining supplies from the retailers that I use in Poole, Salisbury and Southampton. Only one of these stocks the Acrylic paints but again there were full stocks in the run up to Christmas.
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Barry Dodd
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 06:56 pm:   

I have seen the full ranges of Humbrol paints in local branches of both B & Q and Homebase recently.
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Paul Dudfield
Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 10:24 am:   

I'm using a new tin of Humbrol 85 Satin Black and find that takes ages to dry. It remains tacky for days before eventually hardening.

Has anyone else encountered this?
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Dick Lindsay
Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 10:29 am:   

I use the Satin black 85 quite regularly and haven't had any problems. The major problem colour for me is the gloss yellow which consistently seems to suffer the problems that Paul has experienced.
Dick
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Dave Wallington
Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 05:44 pm:   

Sorry Paul. Like Dick, I use this 85 all the time (including last night!) and have had no problems, except for noting that once opened, the paint lasts less time than it used to. (I have thrown out the last two cans at no more than half used!)
Dave
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Bill Mather
Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:04 am:   

Like Dave, I have had the same problems with 85, but also with several other colours. After being opened for a couple of weeks and resealed tightly, they form a skin and soon thicken to such an extent than they can't be used.
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Matthew Butler
Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:16 am:   

this is just a suggestion, make sure your brush wasent wet and you havent droped a tad of water into it, that happens to me sometimes, and it's really thick...
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Adam Floyd
Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 02:21 pm:   

This thread inspired me to take a look at my own tin of 85 that is only a few months old but hasn't been used recently. Sure enough like Dave and Bill found it's gone pretty much solid - I think there might still be a bit of liquid paint in the bottom but I'd have to scoop out a load of sludge to find it. Not very impressive!
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Keith Turner
Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 06:47 pm:   

An old trick with photographic chemicals was to reduce the amount of air in the bottle by taking up the space with marbles or something similar, to prevent oxidisation taking place. Now it might just work with Humbrol, if you can find marbles small enough to fit in the tin. Small ball bearings might do the trick.
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Doug Nicholson
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 06:21 am:   

May I suggest you try using Revell Aqua Color Acylic Black matt 361-08, twice as much for half the price, good coverage, lovely finish, dries in about an hour , allowing several coats per day, brushes wash out in water & if it starts to thicken up in time, just add some aqua & give it a good stir - simples!

Doug
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Gordon Mackley
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 02:39 pm:   

For those still using Humbrol and not Doug's acrylics, my experience is that slow drying (and poor coverage) can be the result of separation within the paint (even though it may look OK in the tin). This seems to be more of a problem with matt or satin finishes. It is always best with these colours to give the pot a really good stir with a stick, reseal the lid and then shake vigorously for as long as your arm will take it. This applies especially if the tin concerned has not been used for a long time.

You can always stop a skin forming at the top of the paint by storing the can upside down but you do have to be very careful that the lid is well secured in place!!
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Dick Lindsay
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 06:25 pm:   

I used a Badger electric paint stirrer (see Journal 445) to good affect for mixing all paints and when that expired I used (and still do) the 'stirring end' in a modellers electric drill. I usually 'stir' for at least a minute and up to two minutes with known problem paints.
I have tried storing the tinlets upside down as Gordon suggests but have found that a skin will eventually form on the underside. Despite the costs I've found that once the paints start to thicken or deteriorate its probably best to dump them and start again.
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Dave Wallington
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 09:41 pm:   

Like Dick used too(!) I use a Badger electric stirrer and can recoomend to all. But also like Dick, I find that once it starts to 'go' it is best dumped.

It does depend on what I am working on, but I also am beginning to prefer acrylic paint. My personal choice here is the Tamiya range, but there aren't many 'bus' colours!

Dave
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Paul Dudfield
Posted on Friday, July 22, 2011 - 11:29 am:   

Thank you all for your various contributions. I was going to ask about acrylic paint but Doug Nicholson got the answer in first. I have now tried it and, so far, it has worked well.

Paul
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Arfon Owen
Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2011 - 09:45 pm:   

After speaking to some members and following this discussion I've started using some acrylic paints. I've had a go with Revell and am pleased with the results, it gives a nice satin sheen. I've also tried Humbrol but I must have picked up matt colours as even though it covers well there is no shine at all. Is there a satin varnish I can use on it or do I keep looking for a satin version?
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Chris Morley
Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2011 - 11:15 pm:   

...if you have painted with Humbrol matt colours, then you will need to use the Humbrol satin or gloss varnish.
The problem is that all Humbrol paints are oil-based , therefore will darken with age . Your varnished example will be much more yellower in say 5 years time .
Acrylics will, more or less, stay the same shade forever .
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Arfon Owen
Posted on Monday, August 15, 2011 - 09:03 am:   

It's Humbrol Acrylic matt that I need to bring up to satin finish. Like most others here I've been using Humbrol Enamels for years and found the quality just seems to get worse, that was partly the reason for having a go with acrylics
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Chris Morley
Posted on Monday, August 15, 2011 - 09:46 am:   

...you should be ok so long as the lacquer is also acrylic based.
For peace of mind , i would suggest painting a sample on a spare piece of plastic or similar to be safe !
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Keith Turner
Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 04:59 pm:   

Hobbycraft and Games Workshop do a very nice range of acrylics under the name of Citadel paints. There isn't a huge range, as they are really intended for wargaming use, but I have used some of them, especially the silver which is much better than Humbrol. Like all of these paints it dries with a matt finish, but I get a good satin finish by going over them with Kristal Klear polish. Some of the Citadel colour names are also interesting - Chaos Black, Scab Red, and Snot Green are just a few! On the subject of paints, I found that Humbrol dries very slowly if applied over Halford Plastic primer, which their ordinary acrylic primer doesn't have the same problem.
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Eric Wain
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 09:56 am:   

With regard to paint usage, I seem to remember that the late Tony Kay used to use a new tin for each model. This may sound to be rash but when you see the quality of his models, it makes sense.
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Arfon Owen
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 10:10 pm:   

Is Kristal Kleer polish generally available? Failing that I'll try to get acrylic laquer
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Dick Lindsay
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 09:55 am:   

Kleer polish was withdrawn several years ago. Johnson / Pledge products seem to vary from country to country and there seems to be considerable confusion as to what replaced it and its suitability. Other websites suggest that a floor polish called Quickshine available from Lakeland is a good substitute but at 10.29 for a 800ml bottle its not cheap. Could it be that a simple acrylic gloss varnish might be the best way forward?
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Bill Mather
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 11:14 am:   

According to the Road Transport Images website, the formula was changed two or three years ago. I was fortunate to get a bottle of the original at our village shop. I don't know if the current formula works as well as the older one.
Bill.
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David Cole
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 08:48 pm:   

Like Keith, I have been pleased with the results from Games Workshop acrylics. Yes, the colour range is a bit limited but since I mainly use the black or red, it is adequate. Games Workshop also do their own compatible satin varnish under the description 'purity seal'
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Stuart Bell
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 08:11 am:   

I use Vallejo 'Model Color' (17ml pots) acrylics on all my resin models and I find it excellent. It dries to the touch in minutes. The range is massive and at around 2 a pot is reasonable. Modelzone and many model railway shops stock the range at similar prices. The softish plastic bottles have a squeeze nozzle. I've tried their varnishes but they are a strange formula and dry so quickly that they leave ridged brush strokes. I hope I can make my bottle of red label 'Klear' last a few years yet!
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Eric Bawden
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 01:49 pm:   

I too have used Vallejo and can confirm Stuart's comments that they are very good but that the varnish dries very quickly leaving brush strokes. I have an aerosol of Keen Crystal Clear acrylic varnish which I have used with other paints but not yet ventured to use it on Vallejo acrylics. Anybody any experience of using it thus?
I find the Vallejo paints very easy to use, just squeezing a small amount out into a small dish and when finished everything is rinsed out in water, all very clean and convenient.
Eric
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Keith Turner
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 08:35 pm:   

Isn't it possible to thin the varnish down a bit with water to slow down its drying times? Try it on something that doesn't matter first!
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Eric Bawden
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 10:49 am:   

Hi Keith, I've just tried watering it down a bit but results weren't brilliant.
The varnish is initially milky but dries clear, however, when I applied some with just a drop of water on the brush the varnish became very wishy-washy and the milkyness(?) didn't disappear. I ended up wiping it off before it dried.
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Paul Coley
Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 09:20 pm:   

To continue a previous topic, I too have grown tired of the indifferent quality of Humbrol paints of late. Some are OK, but many are only lasting 1/3 of a pot before they skin over. I too have tried the new Revell acrylic range and am really impressed. Only use them in small areas on my models, but they seem to have a better finish than that of the Humbrol products. Three other advantages - if you make a mistake, you can clean off with water; brushes last a lot longer and the paint is virtually odourless, meaning Mrs Red Rover is not constantly moaning!Yes, you need to varnish if a lot of use, but I have left a few unvarnished and they are fine.
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Matthew Butler
Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2011 - 08:24 am:   

I find humbrol OK, but, for most of my models, I've too,have started with Revell. The thing with humbrol is, when you first get it, it's like water, then about a week or so later it's quite thick,and starts to peal over. I Find that Revell give a strange finish(quite rough),and do dry quicker. For the extra 20p in my model shop,I think Humbrol sometimes is a waste of money-Especially if your doing an indicator!

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Robert McGillivray
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 03:43 pm:   

Can anyone recommend a substitute for Humbrol gloss white (22), please? In recent years the contents of such tins have been off-white/almost very pale cream. My usual source suggested I try Revell white (04). This has turned out to be whiter, but the finish has left brush marks and it is rather satin instead of gloss finish.

Is there a solution or must I accept that the Revell product is the whitest gloss I'll be able to buy?
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Stephen Read
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 04:43 pm:   

I now use Cherry paints for white, either the National Express version for a brilliant white or NBC 'white' for a subtler shade. I would also recommend Arriva sandstone in lieu of Humbrol 41 for ivory. They are more expensive at 2.25 but the quality is far superior.
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Matthew Butler
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 05:20 pm:   

I ofte find that there is another "whiter" white that humbrol do-I believe it is satin, but of you heat the paint & model it turn out glossy. Other than that, I'd say tamiya also do a white, and rail match
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Robert McGillivray
Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 11:21 pm:   

Stephen and Matthew - thanks for your suggestions. I think I'll have a bash at using Cherry Paints.

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Robert McGillivray
Posted on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 08:06 pm:   

In response to an enquiry about the quality of Humbrol enamel paint, Wonderland Models, Edinburgh have advised - "Hornby are currently in the process of moving the production of the Humbrol paints back to the UK and are breaking out the original colour charts for quality control. Each batch used to be checked against the charts to make sure the colour was correct. Unfortunately for a few years now each batch was being checked against the previous batch, causing the paints to slowly drift. Unfortunately the process of selling out of all the current stocks, and moving the production, will take some time."
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Eric Bawden
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2012 - 04:32 pm:   

For the first time I have just used Revell Aqua Acrylic 361-62 Mossy green but, contarary to what Doug says in his posting above (Mon Jul 18th 2011), and others posting on this thread, I've found it awful. I prepared the item I was painting in the same way I have when using Vallejo Acrylics, using grey acrylic spray primer. When I opened the Revell I found the paint to be so thick it had the consistency of Bovril. Stirring didn't make any difference. Despite this thickness, when applied the paint went opaque and then started to seperate. I then tried thinning it with a bit of water but this just made the seperation even worse. I eventually got rid of the seperation by continually brushing over the same area, but the colour was still opaque. I washed the brush out immediately after use (as per instructions) but found considerable coagulation (ate a dictionary for lunch!) of the bristles and it took some getting clean.
It may be that I've just got a bad pot of paint but I think I'll stick with the Vallejo.
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Michael Wilson
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2012 - 12:08 pm:   

I brought a new tin of yellow humbrol paint a few days ago and when it was opened it was like yellow water. After a considerable amount of stirring/shaking the consistancy was still the same.

I mentioned this to the shop staff a few days later and they have recieved many complaints along the same line. They told me the same as Robert, with new production etc..
So hopefully the quality will improve when this happens
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Dick Lindsay
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2012 - 06:48 pm:   

The yellow gloss has been pretty grim for several years now. I was using up to four coats to add a second colour over their No41 ivory and each was taking over two days to even vaguely show signs of drying properly. For gloss yellow I now use the Cherry Alexander Northern tinlets.
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Michael Wilson
Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 06:43 pm:   

the strange thing is i got a large tin of humbrol 69 and thats completly opposite. It doesnt need as much stiring.

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Paul Savage
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 07:26 pm:   

More Humbrol issues - don't seem to be covered above. I've just bought 2 tins of matt white enamel and 3 acrylic colours (used for interiors - I'm not a fan of acrylics!).

Opened the acrylic 96 RAF Blue to find a thick, gooey, sticky mess in the container with virtually no liquid agent. Stirring had no effect but a careful addition of water did have the desired effect to make the paint usable.

Then discovered that BOTH tins of the white enamel had the same problem - just 2/3 tin of goo with no liquid consistency at all. Again, no amount of stirring made any difference to the consistency and as I didn't have Humbrol thinners, ended up using white spirit to make the paint usable.

Anyone else experienced this issue? I usually find Humbrol to be a good consistency once it's properly stirred for use and never seen this one before.

I use the excellent Cherry (50ml) for my main enamel colours, so looks like this is the way to go for everything in spite of the significant extra cost.
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Keith Turner
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 08:32 pm:   

And to further muddy the waters, I recently tried to use an old tin of Humbrol Midnight Blue. This was almost at the stage of forming a skin, but hadn't quite got there, and had to be stirred thoroughly before use. However, the thicker than normal consistency meant that it covered the grey primer in one coat, and dried to a lovely glossy finish with no brush marks, not needing a second coat. I have used Humbrol in this state before with similar results, but these days like you I prefer to use the Cherry paints and if necessary pay a bit more for the quality. Perhaps one day Humbrol will realise that we want a product that is at least usuable when we hand over our cash!
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Matthew Butler
Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 08:56 am:   

I have found that when I bought a tinlet of humbrol no. 3 over a year ago has lasted me a long tome, and the coverage was excelent. One coat, and like keith, was close to forming a sking, but a drop od thinners and a good stir, ensured it was nice.

Then when I buy a tinlet of the same shade (two tinlets actully!) they are a lot differant with the older one much brighter (and accurate). .
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Adam Floyd
Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 11:58 am:   

I have a pot of Humbrol acrylic silver that I've never been able to use! I bought it a few months ago and the first time I opened it all I could see was a thin blue liquid, all the silver pigment having solidified in the bottom. It looks like it will need an enormous amount of stirring to make it anything like usable so I'm less than impressed. Humbrol quality seems to be going steadily downhill; Cherry may be more expensive per tin but probably works out cheaper as you can at least use the entire tin without it going off and having to be thrown away when still half full.
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Paul Savage
Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 02:29 pm:   

I agree that Cherry is the best enamel around; I have yet to try their acrylic range, so can't comment on that.

One thing that stands out about Cherry is the ability to vary the finish between gloss and matt by using their matting agent - a great saver in terms of numbers of tins you need to buy, and of course, you always get the colour you want in the finish you need which you don't get with Humbrol etc.

I have the 50ml tins of my main colours and mix with the matting agent to suit, but will now be adding to my stock the basic whites, greys etc, which I would usually get via Humbrol to save cost.

Incidentally, I have emailed Humbrol regarding this latest experience so will let you all know if I get a reply with explanation!
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Keith Turner
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 08:20 am:   

Adam, a good acrylic silver paint is the one in the Citadel range which is stocked by Games Workshop, Hobbycraft and no doubt others. It used to go under the name of Methril Silver, but is now called Runefang Steel. It is also much more hardwearing than the old Humbrol gloss silver paint, and dries in a few minutes. Ignore the strange names and just use the paint!
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Adam Floyd
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 09:53 am:   

Keith - I have the Runefang Steel too, I bought both it and the Humbrol to compare the two and I'm glad I did as the Citadel paint wins hands down by virtue of actually being usable! The young lad in the Games Workshop shop was very helpful and he said a lot of modellers from other fields are switching to their paint due to the issues with Humbrol. When I mentioned the problems I had with Humbrol there were knowing nods from the other modellers in the shop.
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Paul Savage
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 12:02 pm:   

I don't want to hog the forum, but I've just experienced yet another issue with Humbrol, this time with orange gloss enamel.

Brand new tin, prepared in the usual thorough way in a clean environment and applied with a used, but spotless brush which is my normal style.

The surface of the finish is covered in tiny bits of a gritty looking 'dust'.

I repeated the exercise on another surface using two other tins of enamel (Cherry gloss red and Humbrol gloss red) with an almost perfect finish achieved (I can't claim perfection yet!!).

To me, this indicates a paint issue? I am rapidly losing any confidence in Humbrol and it will be interesting to see what they have to say when (if) they reply to my email detailing the previous issues.
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Michael Wilson
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 06:11 pm:   

Ive been down to the local model shop today for some paint and some other bits. And alarmingly the shelf of humbrol paint was empty with roughly 40-50% of the sections empty and also where the shelves were full they were mostly Revell paints.

Asking the staff if there was an issue and were they getting some more they told me that theve had problems getting the supplies and if they get some they will and they dont know.
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Paul Dudfield
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 04:38 pm:   

I went into Hobbycraft in Cardiff last week. Their rack of Games Workshop paint had a space for Methril Silver but it was empty. There were very few other colours either. Presumably they are awaiting new stock.

However, Games Workshop in Exeter today had a good stock including Runefang Steel.
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Eric Bawden
Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 03:14 pm:   

Have just used Citadel Runefang steel for the first time. I can only reiterate Keith and Adams comments above.
It's ten times better than Humbrol, and it stays on!
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Eric Bawden
Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 03:18 pm:   

Forgot to mention, the shop I got it from showed me a conversion chart that can be downloaded from Citadels website listing the old and new names for their paint range.
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Cyril Aston
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 03:23 pm:   

I recently had a problem with Humbrol Matt Black,
Despite the usual Good Shake, Plenty of stirring I ended up with a Semi Gloss, More satin Finish.
Bought another Tin of same and had no problem.
Thinking of trying another brand, anyone have anycomment on Tamiya paints finish?
Regards.
Cyril Aston.
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Dave Wallington
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 05:43 pm:   

I have been using Tamiya acrylics since they first arrived in the UK in 1980 (I worked for the importer's retail arm!) and I can say that they have been the most consistent paint in terms of quality that I have known. It also has great longevity, a fact borne out by still using less commonly used colours 30+ years on!

The limiting factor with Tamiya is the colour range, which has its origins in military modelling, and consequently has less 'normal' colours in its range.

Dave
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Cyril Aston
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 08:19 pm:   

Thanks Dave, I think I will try them.
Regards.
Cyril Aston.
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Paul Ellender
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 09:54 pm:   

Cyril, I note your comments about Humbrol matt black. The effect you describe can be caused by either not enough stirring, or by applying over a coat of paint underneath it, that has not had enough time to fully dry....? does that help ?
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Cyril Aston
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 10:26 pm:   

Hello Paul, I always stir thoroughly,using the wooden stirrers courtesy of a well known Burger Chain and the primer undercoat was a month old!
Just like many things I suppose you get the odd dodgy batch.
Regards.
Cyril Aston.
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Paul Ellender
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 09:38 pm:   

Oh well, just a thought. If stirred well and on a sound coat beneath then it should have been fine so I dont know how to explain it.
Another thought, was the undercoat of Humbrol make, so that both are of the same type ?
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Cyril Aston
Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2012 - 02:05 pm:   

Paul, they were both humbrol, but I solved the problem by trying another tinlet, same brand, same colour and had no problem,prehaps its just an age related thing,you cannot tell how old some of the tins are.
Regards.
Cyril Aston.
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Dave Wallington
Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2012 - 09:00 pm:   

I think Humbrol are having serious quality control problems in recent times as the problems people are encountering are just too regular and often have a common theme. It is a crying shame, as the quality of Humbrol paint was always something that we could trust and therefore rely on for consistency in our model making. Sadly that appears to be no more.

The problem that Cyril encountered should certainly not be age of stock related, as a sealed tin is an airtight environment. The parts may separate over a period of time, but a good stirring should restore in a few minutes. I am still using rare colours of the Humbrol German Railway range that was last sold in 1977 and presumably not manufactured for a few years before that. So unless the stock was more than 40 years old.......

The trouble with nostalgia is that it just not what it used to be! Acrylics have come on leaps and bounds over the last 10 years, with many excellent ranges, most of which have been mentioned in this topic thread already

Happy painting ...................... Dave
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Terry Kempshall
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 07:56 am:   

Although I have not seen it myself, there was a report on one internet group in the past week of an announcemnt from Hornby of their intention to return the manufacturing of the Humbrol range to UK. I don't think this has yet been mentioned on the Forum nor have I seen any further mention of this elsewhere.
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Chris Morley
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 09:00 am:   

...yes , hopefully good news !? - more details here - http://www.humbrol.com/manufacturing
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Terry Kempshall
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 10:09 am:   

There seems to be a pretty clear accpetance on the part of Hornby in that statement that all has not been well with the range.

Hopefully, we will be able readily to tell, in due course, which paints may still be from the old range and which from any new when we go out to buy - unless it is their intention to withdraw any outstanding unsold old stocks.

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Dick Lindsay
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 10:27 am:   

From the illustrations in the above link it looks as though the 'new' tinlets will be recognisable as such.
Dick
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Terry Kempshall
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 10:46 am:   

It is a good few years since I bought any Humbrol in view of the problems I and others had been encountering. A new tin design on that basis would seem to answer my earlier concerns about recognition. Thanks, Dick.
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Bill Mather
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 10:54 am:   

An excellent website, and not just for paints. Good luck to them for returning production to the UK.
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Adam Floyd
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 03:17 pm:   

That is good news as the quality has been going downhill for a while now. While they're at it they should get rid of the stupid metal tinlets that allow the paint to collect around the lid so it won't seal, and instead put the enamels into the same plastic screw-top containers as the acrylics. I'm sure everyone has tins with dried-up paint congealed around the top so changing the design would really improve the lifespan of the paint.
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Paul Dudfield
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 03:21 pm:   

This was mentioned on the Forum some time ago as being a possiblity so I am glad to see it is happening. I do hope this will resolve the quality issues. I am sure I am not the only one who will be looking out for the new packaging.
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Karl Kingston
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 04:12 pm:   

Adam, a tip to avoid getting the paint congealing around the lid is to place the lid on a piece of paper when opened, keep it paint side down, when you have finished, some kitchen roll dabbed with white spirit or turps, run it around the paint tin opening, then again around the inside of the lid before replacing. I can get a good deal extended life from a tin by doing this each time.
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Cyril Aston
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 08:51 pm:   

I bought some Humbrol Gloss white and after the usual preperation dried a yellowish shade of cream!I am glad they are hopefully going to get there act together and will give them another try,this time newer stock.I wish them well and prefer to buy British whenever I can so would like to contuinue to support them.The website has been refreshed since I last looked at it.
Regards.
Cyril Aston.
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Terry Jones
Posted on Monday, December 03, 2012 - 09:12 pm:   

I gave up on Humbrol some time ago, after the best part of 40 years of usage. Some of those earlier tinlets are still going strong, but the new rubbish has been dreadful. I went over to Revell, and I have just used the last of a tinlet of their no.70 white - a super quality proper white, and none wasted, as I have been able to use every last bit, without it going off inside the tin. I also had exactly the same with a Revell gloss black a little while ago - great stuff to the last drop. I MAY return to Humbrol in a limited way when I see the new packaging, but I will be wary for some time, and I think I will continue to trust and rely on Revell for most of my paint requirements, following my recent good experiences with them.
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Arfon Owen
Posted on Monday, December 03, 2012 - 09:46 pm:   

Like Terry I have gone over to Revell for some colours, though also use Humbrol for others. Nowadays I tend to use more acrylics,usually from the Tamya range as I find they give a nice finish
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Dick Lindsay
Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 10:41 am:   

Interesting views. I just can't get on with the Revell paints.
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Adam Floyd
Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 10:57 am:   

From my limited experience of Revell I'm inclined to agree with Dick - when I couldn't get any Humbrol red I tried the Revell and didn't like it at all. It was quite thick and 'gloopy' but didn't cover very well, it started to go tacky quickly so brush marks were visible but took a long time to dry fully. Maybe it's just a bad colour and other Revells are okay as I've found some Humbrols better than others. The main reason I've stuck with Humbrol is simply because that's what the local shops all seem to stock.
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Eric Bawden
Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 11:19 am:   

I recently bought a tin of Revell clear gloss varnish and like Adam found it very gloopy.
I used it on a model that was part Halfords car spray and part black acrylic.
Despite the gloopiness (?) it went on ok and dried on the Halfords bit. A week later the black acrylic was still tacky. In fact so tacky I was more or less able to peel it all off.
I also managed to get the black off (it was the rear dome of a double decker) take it back to resin and reprime it.
Against my better judgement I bought a new tin of Humbrol black applied it and it has dried to a very nice shine.
It strikes me the whole business of buying paint today is a very hit and miss affair and that paint manufacturers are probably struggling due to the 'meddling' by Brussels as much as anything.
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Gordon Mackley
Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 02:38 pm:   

I have to say that having had some problems with Humbrol, all of my latest purchases have been of consistently good quality. Perhaps this was a problem of limited duration, although that said older stock (which may be of poor quality) is likely to be around for some time from those who sales are of such products are slow
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Robert McGillivray
Posted on Friday, December 07, 2012 - 02:25 pm:   

I've been in touch with the customer care people at Humbrol. They advise that there are no plans to withdraw old stock. They have been been producing enamel paint in the UK for over 8 months in the current labelled tins. The tin labels will be changed in the future. Humbrol aim to increase the range of colours, and these will be announced at the end of December/early January.

So I suppose to be sure of getting the new (hopefully better quality) UK produced product it might be worth waiting until the new style branding appears on the tins.
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Paul Coley
Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 12:30 am:   

I have been spray painting my models for years now, only using brush-applied paint for finishing. Gave up on Humbrol enamel 18 months ago for Revell acrylic, from Hobbycraft. Found this was far better, but ONLY for finishing. Quicker to dry, means faster model finishing. Brushes clean out in water, so longer brush life and, if I drop any on the carpet etc, I dont get ear ache from the Mrs! It is no good for painting a whole model, dries too quickly to eliminate brush marks.

Have also recently tried the Humbrol acrylic range and this, in my view, is very hit or miss. Compared black Humbrol v black Revell and it is like chalk and cheese - the Revell is blacker and far more consistant when it goes on. The crimson was good, but the yellow was very thin, depsite all the shaking of the tinlet. Plus you get 20% less paint in the Humbrol plastic tin compared to Revell as well!!

Sorry, Humbrol, you have lost me as a long term customer now.
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David Manning
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 08:56 pm:   

Having used Humbrol for 50 years, the current offerings are a poor imitation. The red, used for my Luton vehicles is a case in point; varying from a sticky shade that is more pink to a dirty looking red - of shade more akin to that village astride the Thames. After stiring the black for 5 minutes after a disaster first time around - I only stirred for 3 minutes - the cover was better, but still took 2 days for the "tack" to go off. Except in rare cases i will not touch Revell though!!!
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Paul Savage
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 02:15 pm:   

So Humbrol have no intention of withdrawing old stock (Robert post, 7th) - stuff the dissatisfied customer and keep supplying the cr*p that now counts as enamel paint, eh?

I recently returned at their request 2 cans of matt white which had virtually no liquid content; no response from Humbrol by way of acknowledgement or replacement.

I have now opened a tin of 96 blue which is like coloured water! No amount of stirring will find any pigment to mix in! And a further tin of 25 blue needs no less than 3 coats to hide the streaks - and yes, it has been extremely well stirred beforehand.

What a farce! It's going to take some convincing for me to return to buying Humbrol, new tin design or not, with such appalling quality and service.

Paul
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Eric Bawden
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 02:10 pm:   

It's not all Humbrol.
Just opened a new tin of Revell semi-matt green enamel. After a thorough stir I painted a bit on my model.
I might as well not have bothered!
Whilst the consistency was reasonable and smoothness of application was good the colour was non existent. It was just like applying a colourwash.

This only convinces me more that the manufacturers have their hands tied behind their backs because of the meddling of the faceless unelected eurocrats in Brussels, who pour out their dictates, stating what can and what can't be used in any particular manufacturing proccess left, right and centre!
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Paul Savage
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 02:48 pm:   

Suppose we could always try the unpainted look for a change? :-)

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Eric Bawden
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 06:48 pm:   

Must admit Paul, in desperation, that idea has crossed my mind!
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Stephen Anforth
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Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 07:38 pm:   

What are the correct Humbrol Acrylic colours for Yorkshire Rider?

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